Keeping up with the BNP

Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 8:00 UTC 35 comments

Now is potentially the most dangerous time in the battle to keep the BNP out of Parliament, and from expanding their presence on town and county councils. After Griffin’s arrival speech in Brussels, demanding that immigrants’ boats be sunk whilst at sea, its very tempting to just accept the BNP’s victory as a done deal. However, the BNP haven’t yet won at Westminster, and they’re hardly likely to be resting anytime before May 2010’s General Election.

One could follow Unite Against Fascism’s lead and simply regroup and make sure things like email lists are up to date. The same is broadly true of Hope Not Hate’s current efforts. This, it shouldn’t need saying, is a very good use of the current time. But groups like UAF will never thrive on organising themselves; as with any other activist group, action is the defining thing, and if there’s no action, many will see no purpose to the group. So again, there’s a problem.

Another solution might be a trip to the Red, White and Blue festival come rally that the BNP hosts in Derbyshire. On the Saturday, Unite Against Fascism have a march, and there will be much better transport arrangements than on previous occasions (for instance, a coach has been organised from York). My concern is that this will merely turn into a chance for people to have their photos taken by the police and BNP simultaneously. The wider public to whom campaigners need to appeal will be miles and miles away. Apart from anything else, though, the demonstration will likely cause the BNP to have to invest more of their money in security operations, money that would otherwise be spent on publicity, so no bad thing!

But that isn’t the only work the BNP will be up to right now, nor the most damaging. Of course, I’ve said it before, but it bares repeating; the BNP as a group of people don’t just work through the party apparatus that they have built up. Now is the time for British National Youth Organisation groups to be doing their summer camping trips and other activities. Its the school holidays, so there’s a massive need for activities for young people on housing estates, and in steps the BNYO, “providing a service” and receiving a supply of minds to indoctrinate in return.

The thing with the BNYO is that they’re not really a youth-wing to the party like the Labour or Tory Youth, they’re more of a Boy Scouts with added Racism; the politics is more incidental to the main task of instilling British values of discipline, fitness and competitiveness in young lads, who one supposes are then ready to kick some black heads in come the race war many staunch BNP members fantasize about.

Its very hard to know how to disrupt the BNYO’s activities. One way is simply to provide alternative youth activities, but sadly these are unlikely to get very far especially at short notice. One might put round leaflets warning parents against allowing their children to become involved, but this risks publicising what is thankfully a relatively small operation. The problem is, the BNP know better than to advertise in neighbourhoods where they’ll get a negative reaction. In York’s case, that means the far end of Acomb,

Part of the problem is that the council still thinks of York as one city undivided, whereas the BNP know full well that talking about Acomb issues is their best chance at gaining seats on the council. So where does that leave campaigning? First, with an imperative to find positive local campaigns, and try and edge the BNP out that way. When the only time you can be seen is just before an election, people see you as opportunist outsiders, but when, like the BNP, you work locally all the time, you build credibility. And credibility is going to matter come May 2010.

Information gathering is also required. What are the BNP likely to use as their local angle in an area? Which pubs are they going to to spread their lies? Which pubs are they hosting meetings in? Simply fighting them over a few quotes their leaders might have given in the past doesn’t work very well when they bring out their own newspaper with stories that one has to credit are actually on local issues, even if factually dubious at the best of times. People are far more interested in knowing local gossip about neighbouring asylum seekers than they are about Hitler it seems.

But whatever does happen, we mustn’t lose sight of the fact that BNP electoral victory could be just 10 months away now, and with an incoming Tory government wanting to show its in touch with the British people, listening to people’s regurgitations of the BNP’s lies could become a very common occurrence. Now is definitely not the time to let the BNP push ahead on the road to Westminster. Now is the time to find ways, both positive and local, and also confrontational and national, to stymie their growth and development.


Entry filed under: Activism, Nationalism, Party Politics, Politics, Racism.

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  • 1. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 14:16 UTC

    Now i know youre joking.Follow the lead of the UAF.Havent you read up on them??? They are definately the ones to avoid.One thing for sure i dont want anything to do with them and their violence.Much of what the BNP are saying is what people darent speak up and say.After all 1,000,000 people voted them in democratically.The Lib/Lab/Con are all thieves and liars,not left with much of an option are we.I wouldnt vote for any of them.people have totally lost confidence in them.This isnt about keeping the BNP out.Its more about getting the MP’s we have now to take on board what people say and feel.Its not about racism.Its about immigration.Thats whats bothering people and the government facing up to the fact is the only way that people will vote for them.No protests,marches etc will do it.All thats doing is giving the BNP publicity.Action by Brown etc will be the only way.Will he listen will he heck as like.

    • 2. Graham Martin  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 14:32 UTC

      Why on Earth would we need to tackle immigration? Lots of EU residents are moving away from Britain as the market forces shift, and indeed, many smart people born in Britain are moving to Europe to get jobs. Migration is necessary to keep people in touch with one another and to build a stronger global society. What you seem to be looking for is world in which blacks keep to themselves in far off countries, which might not be racism in the sense of violent thuggery, but it is racism, because it assumes that because of someone’s race they arent’ entitled to something; in this case I’m assuming that something is equal access to the world’s riches, which the British government pilfered from them during colonial repression, and which they have every right to seek to regain.

      Yes, it is racism, because you believe one racial group has more right than any other to the wealth stolen through injustice. Those at the margins of their respective societies need to unite with one another and seek justice, not allow governments to play them off against each other. We need to get Brown out, because he is a threat to liberties, not a threat to some malformed notion of Britishness. Britishness doesn’t exist, its Empire, and it doesn’t matter who’s Empire, its still an injustice to the global majority.

      Yes, MP’s need to get in touch with people, but expenses and abuse of position is a completely different issue. If people are opposed to immigration, they need to do a reality check, because they too must be descended from immigrants, and many don’t trace as far back as they want to think. Labour and the Tories have let people down, by allowing businesses to destroy peoples lives, not by allowing a few people over the borders who have nothing but their skills and usually take the lowest wages. Get people like Murdoch out, not the Afghanis and so forth coming here for refuge or to work.

    • 3. Hann  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 14:45 UTC

      Isn’t it sad that people barely able to type are being forced by their oppressive BNP masters to search the internet for any mention of them in order to attempt to change the public’s mind.

      Yes, some people have lost confidence in mainstream parties, and this needs to be rectified. Voting BNP just because you know the current politicians won’t like it is not a good enough reason.

  • 4. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 14:46 UTC

    So we open the gates and let everyone we give them all houses and benefits too.or do they have the skills to be self supporting.We cant cope with it all.Its not racism.Its common sense.No way will you change my views any more than i will yours.I believe in what i say.Youre talking nonsense saying Britishness doesnt exist of course it does.I am British and i am proud of it.Just as any other person is or should be proud of the country they come from.So you say im not British i am from an empire.What a load of crapp.So whats our Queen then.Is she not British.

    • 5. Hann  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 14:56 UTC

      The current laws mean that some people who come to the UK and would be self-supporting cannot. I see you’re of the “sponging off the system” school of thought, rather than the “coming over here, taking our jobs” variety. Lots of manual labour jobs are currently being done by people who were not born in the UK because UK citizens don’t wish to get their hands dirty.

      Why are you talking here if you know no-one’s views will be changed? The original article wasn’t written to be shown to BNP supporters, it was “preaching to the converted”, as the saying goes.

    • 6. imma  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:03 UTC

      *sigh* I think we should open the gates and let everyone in (or out)
      You seem to be supporting treating people differently based on where they were born – this makes me not like you, as I feel Nationalism can easily be just as ugly as Racism – Proud of being British? Why? Because it’s better than being something else?

      Of course you can be proud of what your country has done, if it has done good things, but not just because it is *your*(or my) country.

      Treating people fairly, irrespective of where they are from would be something I would be proud of any country for doing 😉

      ps: don’t try the ‘self-supporting’ argument – it’ll only lead to you living as a hermit if you want to even try to prove the point

    • 7. Graham Martin  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:30 UTC

      No, she’s German. Sorry.

      • 8. Jo  |  Friday, 24th July 2009 at 1:05 UTC

        Damn. Beat me to it.

  • 9. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 14:59 UTC

    I dont look at someone and think.Oh youre from Pakistan youre not as good as me im British.Someone from Pakistan or anywhere else in the world will be proud to be from their country.As i am proud to be British,I dont think i am better than anyone else or i have more rights.I believe that being British is something to be proud of.If we keep our doors open and keep allowing the amount of immigrants in we are then we shall eventually loose our identity.Whats wrong with wanting to keep the heritage you have.Im sure other countries will do.People being allowed in should at the very least speak English and know some of our history.As is the case in the USA.As it is anyone can come in..

    • 10. Hann  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:03 UTC

      You might not personally believe you should have more rights, but you are supporting a party that does think that.

  • 11. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:04 UTC

    Hann lets get one thing straight,I am not a BNP supporter.I didnt vote for them and i wouldnt do.I am saying what i feel was the reason people did vote for them.Oh yes there are some here as you say sponging off us.Where i live we have one of the most populated area of immigrants.So i do see what i say.If the government dont listen to the people then things will only get worse.The immigration problem must be tackled.If not then more and more will vote for the BNP.
    I myself will be voting for our local Mp who is an Asian gentleman,whose views are to stop immigration,and to leave the EU

    • 12. Hann  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:10 UTC

      I do apologise, I have misunderstood you entirely. When I read your first comment I thought that you were saying that the mainstream political parties were all “thieves and liars”, and given that you didn’t complain about my jest about people being forced to support the BNP online, I thought it was too close to the truth for you to acknowledge it’s existence, rather than you not understanding that it could possibly be aimed at you.

  • 13. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:11 UTC

    Hann please dont tell me who i am supporting.I know who i support.Just because i agree with some issues doesnt make me a supporter does it.Yes they are taking jobs too.The idea they come over and do jobs our people dont want is rubbish.No they dont.Where my partner works a Polish man was given the job of supervisor,he interviewed and set on workers.I know several British people who applied for a job and he gave them all to his own countrymen.Now i can give names dates etc on this.There are 2 English employees there at the moment.My partner is one of them.Its a British firm run by Poles. So in this case youre very very wrong.

  • 14. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:12 UTC

    no need for sarcasm is there if you cant debate then talk crapp eh

  • 15. Lois  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:15 UTC

    Just a couple of things the historian in me wants to point out:
    The British weren’t the only, or even possibly the worst empire that exploited other countries. We certainly were the most widespread. However, exploitation still goes on today by rich and less rich alike, so really no one has any moral ground to stand on, except those right at the bottom, and sadly it doesn’t do them any good.
    And the Queen’s family surname, before it was changed in a bout of anti-German feeling during the First World War, was Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Because her family were German princes, from Hanover. Before that, the rulers of England were Scots, before that, Welsh, and before that of French ancestry. And before that Scandinavian. Before that, German again. Before that, Italian. Even the Celts (the ‘Ancient Britons’ of history books) were in fact a race who invaded from Central Europe. Oh, and Prince Philip’s Greek. Who cares? Why does an arbitrary line on a map make a difference to what a person is capable of?

  • 16. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:17 UTC

    Absolutely not Lois but its not about capability is it.Its about what you believe in.Basically i believe being British is something to be proud of.

    • 17. James  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:25 UTC

      How can you be proud of something you haven’t earned. That makes no sense at all. You were born British you haven’t earned your British-ness. Unlike many “foreigners” who earned their passport by passing a test many “British” would be struggling with. And they are now foreigners who are taking away our jobs. Yeah right. You nearly had me fooled;-)

    • 18. Simon  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:32 UTC

      “Basically i believe being British is something to be proud of.”

      Basically, you believe that your country is the best because it’s the one you happened to be born in. It’s funny how quickly the “putting Britain first” naïve-patriotic sentiment reduces itself so quickly into pure egoism.

      • 19. Graham Martin  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:35 UTC

        Indeed, having grown up in Britain, I’ve seen how little there is to celebrate. I don’t celebrate being British. But then I’ve met some of the people Britain has done most to aggrieve. You (Jill) are also assuming that we have to compete and keep other countries down. For what reason? Why? What dictates this attitude?

  • 20. imma  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:30 UTC

    Jill, if you feel you have to be proud, then be proud – it’s not that bad an emotion.

    Just don’t use it as an excuse to set people apart from each other in the way they are treated – find the real reason you want to do that & try not to be angry about how your partner’s company is (if you’re already not angry, that’s good too)

  • 21. Lois  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:30 UTC

    The point I was trying to make is that nationhood is an artificial construct. It means very little. I’m happy calling myself British, or English, or European, or Human. Each of those artificial groups has some qualities I identify with, and some things I’m ashamed of. And none of those groupings matters more to me than any other- except the last. We’re all human, and I can’t look at someone else and say that they have any less right to the things I have than anyone else, no matter where they happen to have been born.
    That’s what I believe, anyway.

    • 22. Alison Parker  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:55 UTC

      I’m not going to comment on much of the above as the debate already seems quite “healthy”. But….

      Every day I am grateful that I am British. I have safe water, a good education, free healthcare, I can leave with the skin colour I was born with (white) and the religion I choose (Christian) without persecution. I am probably one of the 10% most priveledged people in the world.

      However, I am not proud to be British. We have an appalling and ongoing record of oppressing other nations for our own gain.

      Back to Graham’s orginal topic – i think the only way to prevent further BNP success is to propogate the truth about immigration – that is that immigrants play a crucial role in our economy takign up unskilled jobs, and that asylum seekers are a) forced to live on (meagre) benefits and b) suffer real persecution in their own countries that we couldn’t even begin to contemplate.

      Maybe we should all try and read a tabloid once a week to try and keep up with the lies that are beign fed to the public. I know that I am soemtiems isolated in my radio 4/guardian world……

  • 23. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 15:55 UTC

    I havent put any other country down.Nor do i want to.No i havent earnt the right to be British i was lucky to be born British,As any other person would feel naturally about their birth right.Why deny this.I arent angry i am frustrated by it all.I have the right to say how i feel.If people dont agree with it so be it.I dont say i have more right to certain things either except the things that affect my country.Surely i have the right to oppose these things.I suppose living in a very highly immigration populated area.i can see more and have different views to other people.When you go out and hear 4-5 different languages and the streets are like Beirut then you do feel this way.Having said that NO i dont look down on anyone and i am no racist. I do think enough is enough though.If my comments offend then i apologise. I still say earnt or not I am British and i am proud of it.

  • 24. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 16:37 UTC

    I must go now.May i just say this one thing before i do.The people who are saying immigration is what we need etc etc.Probably arent the ones living with huge numbers.Please believe me more people feel like i do than dont.They are afraid to say so as we have been taught to be so politically correct.You cant say anything wrong about a coloured person or foreigner.Their rights have come first.Or so it seems.Right.Now if the government dont address the problem then the BNP will grow and grow,as it is doing now.Graham you say why would we need to tackle immigration,obviously to you it isnt a problem.Rightly or wrongly it is to many people.1,000,000 voted BNP and i really believe this was the largest single reason for the votes.I can tell by how you and the others write,I am not as educated as you are,but i do know what people are saying and feeling.In all honesty i went to Lanzarote and there it felt more |British than it does where i live,I wont move away why should i my family are here and my roots.I have some Asian friends and others,but sadly we Brits here are in the minority.

  • 25. immaterialwpa  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 16:41 UTC

    Can I just check I followed that …
    So you’re feeling frustrated & presumably also alienated by (at a guess) not understanding the conversation on the streets you walk down & you don’t feel like part of that section of society so you are very frustrated at the failure of the major parties to do something to better integrate the communities?

    Would you say you desperately want a party in power that would do something about the split in the community in your area as presumably separate social groups have formed where people have trouble understanding the customs (& languages) of the other?

    You are proud of the support from the group that you are part of which has Britishness as a defining feature but would be much happier if there was more understanding between the groups?

    Sorry, i’m not sure those were all proper questions.
    I hope you can see why arguing the BNP have a silent following is an approach that can scare and upset people who are not in a similar situation as they represent a large amount of intolerance and hatred

    Make sure you’ve explained clearly to your local council+MP that more needs to be done about this community rift

  • 26. Greg  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 16:55 UTC

    Jill, English is already one of the most hybrid, banged-together languages going, it’s basically a clash between German and Latin with lots of other bits added in. As a powerful island nation, we’re currently spoiled. When I went to Switzerland, there was French, German, Italian and Romansch being spoken, but the Swiss haven’t lost their identity as bankers, watch-makers, skiers and chocolatiers yet. What’s the problem?

    As for the politicians, the mainstream parties may be liars and thieves, but the BNP hierarchy are convicted rapists, terrorists, assailants and violent thieves. Literally. I think I’ll take the liars anyday, thankyou.

  • 27. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 17:04 UTC

    rapists terrorists assailants and violent thieves,my goodness no suicide bombers amongst them then.Phew thank goodness.Really thats nonsense. I arent one and wont vote for them.I think you are goping rather over the top there though.What do you think they would do if they got in power,which we all know they never will.Put people on boats and pull the plugs,or execute all none whites.Really its all gone too far with what youre saying.As if anyone could even attempt to rule that way.Youre not with the UAF are you Greg,lol.

  • 28. Jill  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 18:16 UTC

    I havent heard many of your blog readers laughing yet g.martin.Perhaps its you theyre laughing at.What a snidey person you are.Actually im not a BNP supporter,thats so funny. Clown

  • 29. immaterialwpa  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 18:40 UTC

    Jill, you seem to say you don’t support them, but you are *definately* providing a supporting argument – you may not vote for them, but your saying they stand up and say what people think … and you decide to comment explaining this on an anti-BNP blog.

    I think you’ve explained as much as you can about this & picking things to be insulted by isn’t particularly funny or even that annoying, it’s just a little sad *hugs*

  • 30. stuart  |  Thursday, 23rd July 2009 at 20:26 UTC

    i am amazed at how anybody can distinguish the corrupt antics between any of our so called ‘british’ governing parties. being a so called or maybe self titled ‘working class’ white male, about to bring a child into this world, i find it difficult who to trust to help with bringing what will be the greatest joy of my life into what i can only see as a paranoid society which dare not tread on the big racism issue. of course racism is an issue, it always has and always will. everyone, in this country should be treated the same, difererent versions of the media express their opinions as should we be able to. there are many versions of extremism in this country, as will always happen. the white british man should have every right to protect his family as any other. i, sadly, fear that i am leading myself into the hands of people who feel that their opinion is more important than mine.

  • 31. Greg  |  Friday, 24th July 2009 at 12:23 UTC

    No Jill I’m not anything to do with UAF, I’m just giving you the facts. These are all actual convictions of prominent BNP members. For a list of these and more, see

    Remember, these are actual, factual criminal convictions. You can’t deny them, so don’t try. The BNP hierarchy are thugs.
    A. Tory

  • 32. Rayatcov  |  Friday, 24th July 2009 at 15:51 UTC

    After several expeditions on to various sites for an answer I have failed to find one. Can you supply it please.
    My question is, why is it OK to accept MEPs from Sinn Fein, remembering that they have planted bombs.
    Have murdered members of the police or the armed forces. Have attempted to assassinate the Prime Minister, members of the Government and members of the Royal Family.
    Have stabbed people in the heart, gouged out their eyes or shot them in the kneecaps.
    Have smuggled guns and mortars,and formed and maintained an illegal army.
    Quite why you are more concerned by the presence of Nick Griffin as an MEP, who to my understanding has only passed an opinion and harmed no one, than the unrepentant terrorist Gerry Adams and co: is utterly bemusing.

    • 33. Graham Martin  |  Saturday, 25th July 2009 at 18:00 UTC

      I can’t say I have a complete answer, but I shall attempt to give a part answer, and hope someone else can resolve the rest.

      I suspect any answer you’ve been given before will have pointed out the fact that Sinn Fein and the IRA are technically separate. This is clearly small consolation to anyone who has been the victim of an IRA terrorist attack, so I’m not going to make any attempts to claim this separates the two organisations.

      First, allowing Sinn Fein to continue standing elections has been part of an attempt to get them to “play by the rules” and join in real politics, which has seen Gerry Adams forced to condemn his own men (for he can’t really claim much distance from them) in the recent attempts to restart the troubles (and thank God they haven’t succeeded). In a sense, it became a part of the peace deal. Is that a good thing? I can’t answer that. I’m a peace studies graduate, but I’ve never visited Ireland and its not my area of specialism.

      Second, the BNP, like Sinn Fein, is a political party that claims to be independent of any violent actions. As with Sinn Fein, this is equally not true. Griffin has given many speeches elaborating a strategy of “nice and legal” for the time being. Although members of his party are worried he’s becoming soft, he’s stated (behind closed doors and in front of hidden video cameras) that he’s waiting for the chance to get a full blown, fights in the streets, nail-bombings in bars, race war going.

      In recent months, BNP card carriers have been found with weapons of many descriptions, including the where-with-all to make explosives. 10 years ago, David Copeland left the BNP just months before his 3 bomb attacks, the last of which killed 3 at the Admiral Duncan pub in London.

      This says nothing of the almost countless occasions on which the BNP has been linked one way or another to assaults on members of the black or Asian community in Britain. Griffin may have attempted to put distance between himself and these actions, but he’s on very shaky ground as many of his closest friends have similar convictions.

      So the BNP are violent, whereas decommissioning appears to be moving Sinn Fein further from violence. I know that isn’t a complete answer, but I hope that explains why the BNP are at least no better.


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